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Korn, Limbizkit, Rammstein, Orgy, etc.
Posted by #571 Dave Honigs at 04-25-1999 11:56 PM
Everyone seems to be so enamored of these bands. But how good are they really? I used to enjoy Limp Bizkit's music, but I've stopped now. I never even touched those other guys. Why? Because as much as you say they are against what the machine (MTV, modern rock radio, etc.) stands for, I think that they are right in step with everything that MTV is all about. Money and selling out to it. Why? Because all these bands are on major labels. (You might try to say that orgy isn't, but even elementree has to have big bucks behind it from a major distributor) And why are these bands on major labels? Because MTV and the major labels are all in cahoots. The labels sign bands that are all about what MTV wants: brainwashing you! You'll notice that while their music is slightly metal inspired, it comes no where close to being the real thing. (See Korn's + Limp Bizkit's appearance on the MTV top ten countdown) They may seem hard or cutting edge, but if MTV even mentions them or plays their videos, how cutting edge can they really be? And don't even get me started on the lyrics! The most anti MTV thing any of these bands say is the word fuck, and thats kind of lost its novelty by now hasn't it? The real bands that talk about real issues and make cutting edge music stay no where near major labels, MTV's playlists and talk about the real issues effecting us today. Wanna know why no one on MTV ever talks about the straight edge movement? Because MTV is owned by Viacom, a company in which Seagrams worldwide has lots of stock in. And what does Seagrams make? Gin. So MTV plays whats safe for them to play: Korn and the others. So instead of hearing whats for real out there, most people stay cozy with their "cutting edge bands." Hopefully you can see the light before you're a Korn convert. You want to know what the real money makers and sell outs in the music biz see these bands as? Another version of the backstreet boys and N'Sync, except for "Freaks."
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Post #3863 by #222 Will Saxton at 04-26-1999 12:10 AM
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Amen, i don't think anyone could have said it any better. theres nothing new or exciting or cutting edge about anything on MTV or HFS. you know what Limpbizkit and korn and orgy etc... are? POP music. no better then mariah cary or the backstreet boys. bands like godlivesunderwater and 16volt and two and million other bands that i could name that no one has heard of are making GOOD music and gettin no recognition either because they won't sell out to MTV or MTV has not offered to sell them out. And what was up with the HFS big break? no offense to SEV, i'm glad they won but what kind of big break was it for those 9 semi-finalists? all those bands are already playing constantly around here and up and down the east coast and i'd heard most of them on the radio already. HFS should have called it "another gig for the local band that is already getting the most exposure break" contest. oh well thats all i have to say for now. i wonder if jesica has anything to say? he he he
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Post #3864 by #1 Cary C at 04-26-1999 8:48 AM
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I note the "RAMMSTEIN" mentioned in the title of this post. Rammstein is in no way to be considered a sell out band. If you think they are shitty cause they are just getting popularized well you have another thing coming. They are popular becuase their album went gold in like 5 countries and platinum in like 10. Not to mention silver all over the place. Because of this fame they were dicovered by the american music industry hoping to popularize them here. And (of course) it worked. Although before they were struggling as a group, and they sent an album to the director of "The lost highway" hoping he would use their music, and he did, why? Cause he knew it was the shit. Then later, they got the credit they deserved. And dont even tell me how they are "MTV generation shit" cause all Mtv plays is "Du hast" not one of RAMMSTEIN's better songs. Personally i totally agree MTV needs some good taste, but then again if suddenly they got taste and played the stuff we liked would we have to hate it cause MTV is playing it? Thats the impression you are giving.
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Post #3865 by #571 Dave Honigs at 04-26-1999 11:15 AM
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Thanx for the support Will. You are right about Godlivesunderwater, I always wonder why so few people know about them. Thanx to Jessica for introducing me to them.
Cary:your argument that Ramstein is good because their album sold a lot makes no sense. Puffy Comb's record sold a lot of copies, does that mean he's worth listening to? Obviously not. Also, you say that record companies saw these album sales and tried to "popularize" the group. I don't know about you, but when I see the word "popularize" I want to throw up! What makes a band popular in America has nothing to do with good music, because most Americans wouldn't know good music if it came up and fucked them in the ass with their pants on! C'mon, can't you see that all Ramstein is is house beats with incredibly simple and repetitive guitar licks over them? The only reason they sell is because people are intrigued by the fact that their lyrics are in German.
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Post #3869 by #1 Cary C at 04-26-1999 3:03 PM
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Actually, my arguement about them selling lots of records makes perfect sense. If you sell alot of records, it must mean people are listening to you. I do not know a single person who will buy a record and then like leave it somewhere untouched. It would make no sense. The word "popularize" you totally shun i see. So what exactly is it when a band gets "popular" or "sells out?" I am sure there are a few bands out there in it for fun, but most want to get big and well known and cash in on it. Is that considered selling out? Cause if it is, its the aim of almost all bands. RAMMSTEIN had their chance to make it big in america, so they took it, for whatever reason the fans are buying the albums they are getting payed. Thats alot better then having a kick ass band making no money, and working at McDonalds to pay for equipment and shit. And I see Will talking about this alot, i agree with what you say about HFS and MTV, they can both go fuck themselves for all i care. I mean i enjoy the bands that are out there that get almost no recognition, (VAST, GLU, etc...) but i also enjoy listening to KoRn, RAMMSTEIN, Limp Bizkit, etc... Dave, you say these bands are "against what the machine stands for." I dunno about this, ive never really heard them say shit like "We hate MTV" or "Screw being popular and well known and rich, we just want to show how much we dont want to be sell-outs." I dont hear this. So i dont see what you are arguing here either. You say its because they are on a major label, so what. Whats that gotta do with anything? You also say you used to listen to Limp Bizkit yourself but stopped, i dont get why? What makes them different now then when you used to listen to them? You also say "You'll notice that while their music is slightly metal inspired, it comes no where close to being the real thing. They may seem hard or cutting edge, but if MTV even mentions them or plays their videos, how cutting edge can they really be?" Well i first saw Godsmack on Mtv, and they are cool like hell. Maybe im taking your definiton of cutting edge wrong or something, but without exposure on things like radio and televison how is a band ever gonna get heard? You gonna just walk into a record store point and buy?
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Post #3870 by #226 Cody Hall at 04-26-1999 3:49 PM
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ADVANTAGE: CARY [CULT CREATOR]
and i couldn't agree more! i'm with Cary.
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Post #3871 by #222 Will Saxton at 04-26-1999 3:51 PM
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im gonna have to agree with what the good rev cary says. i would also like to say that ska sucks and read my last post in the HFS topic cause its to much to reprint here.
nah
Post #3872 by #43 Will Miller at 04-26-1999 3:51 PM
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nope, it wasn't MTV that influenced me to like KoRn, Limp Bizkit, Rammstein or Orgy. I don't have cable. I don't go to other people's houses to hear what's trendy on MTV either... You can thank the Lost Highway Soundtrack for getting me started on Rammstein. If you're suggesting that we all stop watching MTV, that's fine.
Cary's right about the money thing - you play music in the interests of making money and being popular.
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Post #3873 by #571 Dave Honigs at 04-26-1999 6:26 PM
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Cary, I basicaly stopped listening to limp bizkit because I got tired of their music, not because they were on MTV or made money. I'm not totally against bands making money, I just want a band out there who plays music because they love to play music, not because they wanna make money and be popular. If thats too much to ask, well call me idealistic , I dunno. I'd say it must be a pretty shallow world if everyone in a band today is doing it for the money and popularity. To answer your question on how to find out about good bands that aren't played on MTV, try finding a zine about the scene that you're into. If you like industrial, I'm sure there's some magazine out there that covers really good industrial bands. Most of the smaller zines don't have ties to larger corporations, so they are free to cover what they wish, no matter how unheard of the band is. I enjoy punk rock and hardcore, so I read punk planet. They do record reviews and bios on bands that are on smaller indie labels. It may be more work to find out about bands that aren't signed to major labels, but you'll find its worth the effort.
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Post #3876 by #420 Jeremiah Whittington at 04-26-1999 8:45 PM
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DAMN YOU ALL i dont have the attention span to read all that long ass shit please make posts shorter so i can read em ok so i want a damned lollipop ok wait a minute this is about whfstival tix right what the fuck oh yeah selling out oh yeah now i remember
support SEV
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Post #3878 by #259 Chris Doonan at 04-26-1999 11:37 PM
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one i agree with jerry make your comments shorter. and two everyone can like there own music, yes we all like different stuff. three if you used to like a band and stoped just because they got big, then you are a bigger sell out then the band.
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Post #3879 by #222 Will Saxton at 04-27-1999 1:56 AM
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dave, im glad your not "totaly against" bands making money. i mean God forbid that a talented person become succesful from playing music. nice and short for jerry.
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Post #3882 by #571 Dave Honigs at 04-27-1999 1:13 PM
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Considering the larger and larger amounts of money going into the music industry, I'm kind of scared that successful musicians will become closer to successful atheletes: rich, whiny snobs. Then again, most musicians normally care about their music, while atheletes normally lose the "love of the game" or whatever they call it. Money does have its good sides: better equipment, more studio time, etc, but it can corrupt too.
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Post #3889 by #10 Nick Hamlin at 04-27-1999 8:59 PM
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Dave is right about the sellout thing, but keep in mind that a band has no control over their poularity. The record-buying public is fickle, and it's hard to predict what they'll jump at next. There's plenty of good bands that follow the same "sell-out" pattern, but nobody complains, because they deserve it. My complaint is more along the lines of "they suck". I am a musician. I play the guitar, bass and the drums. Because of this, I tend to be a little more critical of bands because i know what goes into the work that they distribute. Korn, limp bizkit, kid rock, and any of those other flavor-of-the-month bands (including rammstien, but i DO enjoy listening to them. They're just really crunchy.) are completely devoid of any musical merit or tecnical prowess. I miss the 80's. For anyone who likes music with a little effort, check out anything from the scorpions, ratt, winger (don't laugh! that guitar player kicks ass!), steve vai, joe satriani, and early van halen. As for any of today's bands, the only "non-sellout" band I can think of is pantera. They really kick ass. And they STILL aren't mainstream, despite 2 (3?) platinum albums.
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Post #3899 by #444 Andrew Stuart at 04-29-1999 9:10 AM
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Straight up Dave!!!!!!! although i still enjoy some of their muzak i NEVER watch MTV unless its against my will- it is such bull shit! Rev Roach
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